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Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:01 pm
by canada karl
Sometimes when I go to start the car there's nothing there when I turn the key. Moving the steering wheel or jiggling the key and the power comes back. Must be an inner column wiring thing. Anyone been there and knows how to access and what to look for?
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:49 am
by Mike W.
That would be either the ignition switch or the interface between the ignition lock and switch. The only wire in the column is for the ground for the horn.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:02 pm
by Lock
As Mike said, sounds like your ignition switch. If you haven't ever replaced it, you may need to soon - they eventually fail and don't engage the starter. Wriggling it around to make it work sounds like it might be on its way out.
If you replace it, don't get one of those plastic-cased ones, they fail almost immediately as the plastic bends and malforms. Get the one with the metal case, more expensive but built properly. I got mine on eBay from Europe for a European model, it's the same part but with an extra wire for the ign-off-park-light-on, but unfortunately the US cars aren't wired for that novelty feature.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:05 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
If the switch has failed, will the car still start with a remote starter or bump starting?
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:41 am
by canada karl
Good question,,,,,,,and I wonder if a temporary 'generic
ignition switch could be wired temporarily?
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:21 pm
by Mike W.
PatinaBeforePolish wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:05 am
If the switch has failed, will the car still start with a remote starter or bump starting?
Maybe. It depends on the failure mode, the switch has several contacts and functions, off, Acc, Run and Start. Failure of the start mode would probably be the most common, but again, not the only mode. The plastic body can crack and prevent contact. The cam from the lock that goes into the switch can fail, either the cam itself or where it enters the switch. If you get to the run position and the dash lights work, starting from the engine compartment will probably work.
But keep in mind it's two different parts, the lock and the switch. They act together, but can fail separately. You can see in the image, the lock is 10 and the switch is 2.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:10 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
Thanks Mike, this is very helpful. I've always had to push the key while turning to start the car. A few weeks ago it just stopped engaging the starter. I have juice in the accessory and start positions and can bump start the car. It's always been on my "to do" list but looks like now's the time.
@Lock has a good write up on replacement
https://www.firstfives.org/phpBB-3.2.1/ ... ock#p31156, thanks Lock!
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:33 pm
by Mike W.
PatinaBeforePolish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:10 am
Thanks Mike, this is very helpful. I've always had to push the key while turning to start the car. A few weeks ago it just stopped engaging the starter. I have juice in the accessory and start positions and can bump start the car. It's always been on my "to do" list but looks like now's the time.
@Lock has a good write up on replacement
https://www.firstfives.org/phpBB-3.2.1/ ... ock#p31156, thanks Lock!
The switch is easy, the lock much more involved.
On my first E12, after a time, I don't know, 275, 300K, it was getting difficult to get the start function to work, I mean I realllllly had to crank it to the max. I took the switch out, there was wear apparent, but put a dab of grease where the tang of the lock engaged the switch and bam, no more problems until 350K and beyond. Not saying it will work for you, but it did for me. This was with a metal case switch.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:49 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
MIne's at 205k and it's been like this for at least 10k miles so I'm replacing the lock and switch at the same time. Looks like the easiest way is to remove the steering column and do it on the bench. I fortunately found a NOS lock cylinder a few years ago but I haven't found any information on re-keying it so I'm resigned to having 2 keys.
My US BMW dealer is able to order the Euro metal case switch. It's about double the price of the US plastic version but he confirmed the plastic ones have a high failure rate. When I ordered it this week BMW had 56 on hand worldwide. The part number shows as interchangeable with early e24s but who knows if they'll make more when they're gone. Call the parts manager Rick V. at BMW Catonsville, Md. - he's very familiar with classic BMW parts and easy to work with.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:09 am
by 528i-1981
I can remove my ignition key with the car running. This is evidently the result of wear, but does anyone know if this "feature" correlates to impending failure? It's handy for checking my mailbox at the end of the street without having to turn off the car to remove the key.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:03 am
by Mike W.
528i-1981 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:09 am
I can remove my ignition key with the car running. This is evidently the result of wear, but does anyone know if this "feature" correlates to impending failure? It's handy for checking my mailbox at the end of the street without having to turn off the car to remove the key.
Yes it is wear, wear mostly on the key. My first E12, a 79 was like that when I bought it with a mere 197K on it. But no, it has nothing to do with the interaction of the lock and the switch, it's just a worn key. And in spite of what you may suspect, it doesn't even make the car easier to steal.
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:42 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
Stuck on how to remove the cylinder. Is there a set screw underneath the red dot?
https://ibb.co/sWHNqHj
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:43 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
Stuck on cylinder removal - does the brass plate around the keyhole pop out?
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:46 am
by PatinaBeforePolish
Re: Steering lock kill switch?
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:54 pm
by Mike W.
Yes. They call it a grub screw, it's very small, don't lose it. Basic slotted screw.
Stuck on cylinder removal - does the brass plate around the keyhole pop out?
No, I don't think so. At least I've been in far enough to repin it and don't recall removing it. And just for the record, nice pics by the way, that switch does come out even though it's a very tight fit with the wires attached.
